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Proper Triond Etiquette: Friends Versus Fans

When you are a fan of someone’s work, do you have an ulterior motive or do you really respect their work?

My name is Lauren Axelrod and I have been writing for Triond now a little over a month. In the beginning, it was a true challenge developing stories and reaching out to the masses.

However, due to the immense support of the community, I have been able to land on the Hot List many times. It was a real honor considering I had only been here for a short time.

This would have never happened without the support of some pretty amazing people that I befriended in the beginning. Writers such as Norbert Soloria Bermosa, Nelson Doyle, Leo Reyes, Karen N, RJ Evans, Lost in Arizona, and Melissa K have given me open and honest support and they too continue to leave me comments on all of my works. In turn, I still continue to read all of their work and leave comments for the majority of every piece.

During my stay here, I have slowly but surely developed a following of friends and fans. The problem is that once some of these fans become your friends, they disappear never to be seen again and then they land in the next hot users fan box.

The whole motive behind this is to obtain as many page views as possible for the sole purpose of benefiting themselves.

I know I'm not the only user that has experienced this issue. Some may not want to stir the pot but, it is imperative that we all have a supportive community and that we are not intentionally targeting top users for the sole purpose of self fulfillment.

It's a two-way street in here. I, as a college student, have limited time when I do check out my Triond account. However, I will take the time to comment on every article in my community mailbox because I know how important it is to receive some sort of feedback for the work you are so proud of.

Many users may not have the time to do this because, of course, there is life outside of Triond. We all have jobs or responsibilities that take up our valuable time on occasion, so it's not always imperative to check out Triond before those tasks are taken care of.

What I am saying is that when you are a fan of someone's work, do you have an ulterior motive or do you really respect their work?

In my opinion, it usually tips me off when a new writer is adding friends so vigorously without even writing one piece. The motive is completely recognizable and most times you'll never see those people again on your comments section.

When you do become a friend, do you actually read the other persons work and just not comment because you don't feel like it or you're afraid that your comments will be construed in the wrong sense of the situation?

Either way, I think we all respect and welcome feedback as a source of support for our literary works. Sometimes you just need to hear what was wrong with the piece, what will get it noticed and if you used the wrong type of grammar or spelling.

My point is, "yes I have one", if you are new to Triond and you are innocently trying to make friends, just wait until you have some pieces published. The fans and friends will follow once you start to establish a presence.

Otherwise, if your sole purpose of being here is for self gratification without the added benefit of friends, don't even try to hide behind false pretences because the writers in here are too gifted to fall for the fakest of hearts.

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Comments (48)
#1 by Auron74, Sep 8, 2008
Triond sould employ a system like Mixx or stumbleopon were you can see who's ticked the 'I Like It box'. Its often the case that I enjoy a peace but haven't got a valid comment to make and I feel just saying 'cool' or something simiar is a waste of everyones time.
#2 by RJ Chamberlain, Sep 8, 2008
Totally agree with you here Lauren. All of the writers you have mentioned have also been very helpful to me and so I return the favour by reading all of their works and making honest comments. Its a hard one though because as you say, time is limited and its so hard to keep track of all the pieces written by your friends. A good articles for newbies to read. Well done.
#3 by nobert soloria bermosa, Sep 8, 2008
very well said Lauren,,thanks for including my name on your list,i appreciate it so much,well,as you've said,we all have a job outside triond,and yes,like you and the others,I am a very busy person too, and if I may add,it's better to have a few but DEDICATED & LOYAL friends than having hundreds(or even thousands) of friends but lack loyalty and dedication.thanks,keep it up my friend
#4 by BC Doan, Sep 8, 2008
I totally agree with you about the two-way-street part because that's what it should be..

Icy
#5 by Leo Reyes, Sep 8, 2008
Thanks for including my name Lauren. Honestly, I always make it a point to read most of your articles from beginning to end because i like your style and I am learning a lot from you. If you are not a good writer you will never make it to the front page of the "Hot Content List" of Triond. And this is the reason why I never fail to read articles by Norbert, RJ Evans and the rest of the guys that you mentioned because they won't make it to the Hot Content list if they are not good writers.

Keep it up Lauren and please stay longer in the hot content list.
#6 by confused triond writer, Sep 8, 2008
There was something kinda negative about this article that brought me down today. You are on the hot list yet complaining that every one of your friends doesn't read all your work. You targeted the hot users for help and to get to the top here, but it seems to bother you that new users seek you out for a friend. The tone of this just seems very juvenile/high school to me...
When I started here, some of the top users sought me out as a friend, just to add another name to their list. They never read even one of my articles, just wanted to increase their base and get page views. So it cuts both ways, I think in time we know who our true friends/fans are here. New users aren't the only ones who exploit the friends and fans concept. Some of the established people here are very skilled at using people to get page views.
This was just a surprising article. That you're so resentful about how many fans read all your work. It left such a bad taste in my mouth that I'm not even writing here today, I think I'll publish somewhere else...
#7 by I agree, Sep 8, 2008
i don't have time to read everyone of stories, so I don't have the right to be your fan, i'm taking myself off your friends list. if others agree, plz do the same.
#8 by Lauren Axelrod, Sep 8, 2008
Like I said, I am the kind of person who says what I feel. I do agree with you that it is a two way street. Both Hot Users and newbies try to exploit the system. What I was trying to convey in this article is that if people actually do read your articles you never know it, they never leave comments and most of the time they hide behind names that don't represent themselves.

All my recent fans understand what my opinion of this is. You have to support each other and leaving a trail of thought with comments is a great help.

I apologize if this leads anyone to remove themselves from my fan list but, I have already had a growing trend of these types of people that I never hear from again.
#9 by Jo, Sep 8, 2008
Lauren- I totally agree with you. I think you laid out the way a lot of people here feel. Great job! I personally make it a point not to friend anyone that I am not going to read and comment on everyday. I guess that is why I only have a handful of friends. I also agree with Auron74, we should be able to see who clicks the like it button. Often I try and try to make a comment on someones work and I keep getting the bad security string message. So, I click like it but, the writer has no way of knowing that I was there and liked their work. Do any other commenters get that message? Confused and I agree, you are right in that it is not only new writers that seek out friends for the sole purpose of promoting their work. However, I don't think Lauren was saying that only new writers are guilty. She was simply giving her view point from her experience r/t being on hot content and seeing friends use her and then disappear. What a silly notion to call her tone juvenile simply because you feel excluded in her article. Juvenile- is using some faux name instead of your pen name. Your experience is not her experience and vice versa. It is much more constructive to add to her story by telling us of your experience, instead of degrading hers.
#10 by Lauren Axelrod, Sep 8, 2008
Thanks for the comments everyone. I truly appreciate your brutal honesty.

I write because I love to write. I say what I say because I can.

I have spent my whole life in restaurants around very different kinds of people. In doing so, it has helped me see deeper into peoples minds when I actually opened up my first eatery.

I can tell if someone is lying, most of the time. I can tell if someone has an ulterior motive. That's just me.

I love my friends on Triond. If you know me at all, you know I'm not the type of writer that is afraid to take risks.

At this point in my life, I have nothing to lose.
#11 by AJ, Sep 8, 2008
"You targeted the hot users for help and to get to the top here, but it seems to bother you that new users seek you out for a friend."--"so resentful about how many fans read all your work"
--confused triond writer

These new users were not in fact looking for a friend, they were looking for a page view.

The article was about fans not reading Lauren's work but, wanting her to add them to her friends list just the same.

Read the details.
#12 by infernoman, Sep 8, 2008
the only reason i ever freind someone is becouse iv read some if not all of their work and the stuff iv read has been good hence i have at present 2 freinds if i ever make a freind and then i dont read their work its becouse their writing something im not interested in. that simple to me
#13 by Chris Hamilton, Sep 9, 2008
I totally understand what your saying. I have a lot of friends on my list as well and I try to check their work when I can but I found I only have a few loyal readers who actually read my work. You are one of the people that follows my work and I have a few others. I appreciate all the comments I recieve but realize not all are legit and I know people aren;t reading through which is fine but the thing I like is the real comments I get from people like you who take the time to really read my work then leave positive feed back and good critism. Im a new writer so the feed back is more important to me then page views and earnings. I like to know what people liked or disliked about my work that is what helps me write better and come up with more topics. In my opinion your totally right its a 2 way street but again Ill add usually anybody to be friendly and help get them started. So again Lauren another great article and well put.
#14 by iakul, Sep 9, 2008
@ Auron74 and Jo : While I do think it would be a good idea to see who likes our work, I don't really think it's feasible on the Triond network. While on sites like Stumbleupon, everyone is a Stumbleupon user and has a username, not all the people who read Triond articles and Click "I like it" are Triond users.
#15 by Lauren, Sep 9, 2008
Thanks so much Infernoman, Chris, and Iakul.

I read of of your work because I find it interesting and I like the fact that all of us are trying to work together and make it better.

Thanks again for supporting me because I support all of you.
#16 by Lost in Arizona, Sep 9, 2008
I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes it's hard to understand people's motives, and sometimes people do want to reach out for support. It's a double-edged sword when you take the commitment as a writer. I only try to keep my friends to a limited amount so I can read their works. It doesn't always happen because of kids, and responsibilities. But if you're just adding friends just for the appearance, it's not being responsible. Of course, I'm guilty of favoritism, so if I really enjoy your work, I'll peruse your stuff more. It's tough being a writer.
#17 by Lauren, Sep 9, 2008
You're absolutely right Lost.I tend to lean towards the topics I'm interested in. However, I do wish there was some way to know if friends are actually hitting your articles.
#18 by mdegenhardt, Sep 11, 2008
I've experienced that on other poetry websites and could not agree with you more. When you enter into a circle of friendships it becomes important to not ever break the circle except for expansion, allowing in new friends that also contribute. Very well stated. Michael
#19 by Melissa Joyce, Sep 12, 2008
I tend to read all the articles of folks I've marked as friends. I tend to only comment on those that I find interesting though. I also tend to not leave negative comments. You just never know how someone handles criticism.
#20 by Lauren Axelrod, Sep 12, 2008
That's very true Melissa. Some people are more sensitive than others however, if we are all not critical about each others work how will we ever improve.
#21 by Bozsi Rose, Sep 12, 2008
I see both sides of this. Sometimes I'm trying to read articles on my lunch break and don't have the time to leave comments. I've definitely added friends before reading their work but I've gone back and read their work afterwards, faithfully. I think it is good to leave comments when you can, but if I feel what I have to say is negative and I can't think of a good way to phrase it, I will skip it.
#22 by Lauren Axelrod, Sep 12, 2008
I agree with you as well Bozsi. Negative feedback can be taken in so many different contexts.
#23 by Gerlaine, Sep 15, 2008
When I first got on here. I added as many friends as I could possibly add. I did not care if they had content to read or not. I did not read anyone's work at first. I just cared about getting my own stuff up.

Then I started getting regular comments from some Hot Content users, regular users, and users that didn't write at all (just readers). I was like, what is this? I have regulars. I never expected that at all.

I had one girl show me the ropes on here. Her name is Tarra B. I haven't heard from Tarra in the longest time. But that is cool.

I made the Hot Content list once. Then I was away for two months, because my computer broke down. I don't get to read my friends work very often now, because I have an overly demanding job.

Now, for my point. People have their reasons for not reading or commenting on peoples work. Then people have their reasons for feeling duped. Its all ok. Because it all works out in the end. Why does it work out? Because all of our lives keep going on great beyond triond or not so great, but they keep going.
#24 by Gerlaine, Sep 15, 2008
oh, and for adds...i am an avid reader of many peoples work now, since you have commented on my work so faithfully lately, I have now added you into my works as well. I look forward to reading from you Lauren. ~G
#25 by Paula Mitchell Bentley, Sep 15, 2008
I just felt guilty not writing something here, since I read it. I agree it's frustrating to not receive any feedback on something you spent hours and hours on. However, it's pretty time consuming to write something worthwhile on everyone of the articles that I read -- even the really good ones. Good luck and keep writing!
#26 by Lauren Axelrod, Sep 15, 2008
Thanks for the comments Gerlaine and Paula. I appreciate it.
#27 by deadheaddave, Sep 17, 2008
Luaren-- great guide. I actually learned alot. empathy towards others has never been one of my strong types and having empathy in an on-line environment is even harder.

Thanks
#28 by Chris Stonecipher, Sep 17, 2008
I love to read other people's articles but sometimes I have trouble with something intelligent to say in the comment box. I have no other motive other than making new friends and reading interesting material. I have met some wonderful people who have helped me tremendously. In turn, I try to read all their material even if I comment on a few articles at a time.
Thank you for sharing this article.
Warmest regards,
Chris
#29 by CHAN LEE PENG, Sep 18, 2008
I strongly agree with you. It's hard to get a royal friend to continuously read your work. I pay highly appreciation for those who took their time to read my works. As Nobert pointed out, some of us including me have a busy working schedule so we can't read the article at the time it is published. No matter however busy I am, I'll try my best to read and leave comments wherever possible for those who left comments for my works.

Take care!
#30 by Will Gray, Sep 20, 2008
Thanks, I totally agree. I have had several people who have asked to trade good comments just to get a page view. I am an honest writer. Writing comes from deep within me and I will not consider using these kinds of people who just want to earn money for nothing ( as I see it).
#31 by Melody Arcamo Lagrimas, Sep 23, 2008
Thank you for writing this article. When I first joined Triond, I never bothered with anything for several days. It was only when someone sent me a message that I realized that there's a community of writers out there who's willing to be your friends and support your writing endeavors. You just have to be willing to be a good friend too - it's indeed a two-way street. So I started reading others' works and added friends.

But the fun part is this...I had never tried to click on my Fans tab before until about two weeks ago. And I was surprised to see I already have several fans without even knowing. So I added them to my friends'list and from then on, made every effort to read and comment on their works too. But until now, I coudn't figure out how to become a fan of a Triond user. I tried to navigate a lot of times but to no avail (forgive my ignorance). Can anyone please help me with this?

I think it's good to leave even just a short feedback for every article you read, though due to time constraints, it's not always possible...Still, I do try to make it a point to do so.

The fun part is this... Just around a couple of weeks ago, I treied to
#32 by Melody Arcamo lagrimas, Sep 23, 2008
Ooops, please ignore the last line.Thanks.
#33 by thestickman, Sep 29, 2008
Well put. Interesting read. And true. :)

-thestickman
#34 by Bobbie Writer, Oct 1, 2008
Lauren,
Thanks for inviting me to read your article. It's very true. I want to see my writing (I have two articles thus far) published and read. I scanned the titles of your articles and they do sound pretty interesting. I want to read and comment on them.
As a recent journalism graduate and mother of two very extremely talented and intelligent young men, it's my habit to note writing that is very well done, as well as the inadvertent errors. I hope you'll welcome both; and please feel free to let me know when you spot either errors or well-written content that I've published. Good thoughts, and they provide some good direction for being a true Triond friend.
#35 by Kim Buck, Oct 5, 2008
I don't add friends often - but when I do, I send a message to the user saying I did so, I feel like its the proper thing to do. If someone reads something I have written and comments - I'll check out their user name and read some of their stuff. When I first signed up for Triond - I had other users communicate with me and asked me to read their stuff and not saying they had read mine.
#36 by Hein Marais, Oct 18, 2008
For this great community to work, we all have to work together and not against each other. If you read an article and like it comment on it never mind if it is a new writer or an old writer. The new guys will eventually turn into old guys if they are just nurtured correctly. Not everyone will stay at Triond, but we have to try and get everyone to be as positive as possible.
#37 by Nelson Doyle, Oct 25, 2008
Hi Lauren -

I am not an avid reader like so many other writers are or seem to be. Yes, I am one of those writers that usually only reads during the research that I conduct and not much else.

I do read a handful of articles here on Triond every week, both of friends and new writers here on Triond. Sometimes I leave a comment if I have something to share or to add, but normally I just click the "I liked" tab and move on.

For me, it is about 2 things, the first thing is that I do not have enough time to read everyone's work and then write the articles that I need to write to continue to make a living and next, if I read too many other works, then there is a real possibility that I could end up writing about something that I just read.

I personally do not expect nor ask my friends to read my work. I figure that when one of my friends sees a title or topic that I have written about that they would like to read, then they will read it and if the topic doesn't interest them, then may in the future I will write something else that they will like to stop in to read.

Personally, I feel that the majority of readers who visit and read our work are not members of Triond, especially when an article receives more than 100K views. Of course, earning massive numbers of views isn't something that you can control and maintain, but it sure helps when you finally understand how to use and not abuse a marketing network or social site, because that is where the flood of readers come from.

I do communicate and try to help any writer who has ever contacted me for help. However, I do not use the comment section to share these types of responses, I normal conduct the majority of my communications with my friends through private messaging and anyone who has ever contacted me will know that I usually return with the help that they are looking for, I hope that is what they feel afterwards.

Oh, I do not read anything and everything, just those articles or topics that I am most interested in and I suspect that my friends and fans do the same. The most important thing that any writer Hot or not, should remember, is that this is not a competition even if everyone of us were writing about the same exact topic, this is still not a competition. There is a reason why some writers appear on the front page (Hot Content) and others do not. Some of it has to do with the title, some has to do with the topic, or how well-written the article is, but as important as all of this is, understanding how to market (promote) your work is what matters in the longrun.

Any good marketing or public relation company can sell matches in Hell, if the marketing message and attitude is on target. Most writers do not take the time to learn how to promote their work, so their work mostly goes unnoticed and they could be the greatest writer in the world. Just think about all of the times that you visited a supermarket and purchased a product because you have seen a commercial or read about it, but how many times have you decided to try a new product that you have never heard anything about?

God Bless You.

Nelson Doyle
#38 by Lauren Axelrod, Oct 25, 2008
Well said Nelson. I think what I have noticed recently is the outpouring of new Triond users and the immediate need to make everyone a friend with only one piece.

I will read their one piece and the majority of the time I never see them again. It's frustrating for me because I will try to comment on about 90% of the articles of my friends and fans and that leaves me with little time to write more material or even study for college.

I am trying to change that fact and learn better ways to market my material for optimum results so it's not all about the quantity but, the uniqueness of the piece.
#39 by  Brian Daniel Stankich, Oct 29, 2008
Hey, Lauren, you really stirred up the nest. Way to go!
#40 by  Eden Emersen, Oct 31, 2008
Lauren, I noticed this link in your profile after seeing your comments left on several friends' pieces. I just want to say I appreciate the insight that you and others have. It's really interesting to read your piece and the comments left and get the variety of perspectives. Perswonally, I'm not very financially successful on Triond, but I enjoy it anyway. And like you, I very much appreciate those who are very loyal about leaving comments. Thanks for the insight and your forthright perspective!
#41 by Eden Emersen, Oct 31, 2008
OOPS--I meant "personally"--as an English teacher I shouldn't make those kind of errors! :)
#42 by  MJPatrick, Nov 8, 2008
I came to this page same situation as Eden Emerson. My financial earnings here are very low at the moment, but the friendship I have earned is invaluable. Publishers who have read my articles have also added me as friend.
#43 by  Lucas Dié, Nov 11, 2008
normally I wouldn't leave a comment here, as between you Lauren and you Nelson just about everything has been covered that needs saying.

and you are both right on all accounts :)

#44 by Karen N, Nov 12, 2008
Very good points!
#45 by Dieter Hentz, Nov 12, 2008
very interesting to read
#46 by  Richie Montalbo, Nov 12, 2008
Thank you for your kind comments to my articles, Lauren. I really appreciate them.

I have a full time work and can't always have time for the computer, but I will do my best to meet you half way the two way street.

Thanks!
#47 by  Glynis Smy, Nov 13, 2008
Hear Hear, you certainly have the same views as myself Lauren. It is so good to read another's opinion, I love the support from my Triond friends and try to support the best I can.
#48 by  Dendro Azures, Nov 14, 2008
Being new, I haven't had the opportunity to make friends or become part of the community just yet. But I hear what you're saying. I have seen this action in other places online even when there isn't a benefit like Triond offers.

You get the ME people that just want the attention or I guess in Triond's case, page hits. Myself, I applaud everyone who has a thought in their head and the impulse to put it on paper (or screen) to share with other people and as a community of this type, you hope others are here for similar reasons.
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