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My Happy and Sad Experiences with Triond

This is about my happy and sad experiences as a writer for Triond.

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I started writing for Triond last June 16, 2008. Since then I have written about 50 articles on various topics that were published by Triond through its affiliate online publishers. My last article with Triond was published last October 4, 2008. My latest submission was October 7, 2008. Triond declined my last submission with a note that the article is “too similar to other sources”. This was my third article declined for the same reason. Since then, I decided to temporarily stop submitting new content.

I must admit that I was a little bit “hurt” when Triond editors sent me a message saying that my last article was declined for publication. This was the third time that I got this kind of message. Of course; I accepted the editor's decision. After all, I am just a new writer trying to learn the trade and besides I have no control over the editorial policies of Triond. But I am sure that Triond editors will entertain some criticisms so long as they are constructive.

Declined Articles

The latest article that I wrote was about Antarctica, a continent that is considered by many as the coldest place on earth. It took me two days to research on this article and I cannot understand why it was declined for publication. I believe that no matter how you present the facts about Antarctica, your article will always be similar to the others who have written about the subject because you just cannot twist the facts, like its land area, temperature, geology, events, etc. The facts and figures are historically and scientifically derived.

Not satisfied about the reason why my article on Antarctica was declined for publication, I searched the internet for other articles about Antarctica, not only on Triond but in other online publishers. I found out that there are many articles written about Antarctica and I am of the opinion that they are almost similar to each other, simply because the facts are the same. What is important, I believe, is its originality and how it is presented by the writer.

The other article that was declined for publication was about funny-looking signs or billboards, with Chinese and misspelled English characters. Triond editors gave the same reason why it was declined. Again, I searched the net and found out that most of the images that were the subject of my article were also the same subject of the other writer's articles. Why were they allowed to publish these images? And why mine was declined? Certainly, the texts accompanying these images were not the same as the others because they are based on ones concept or idea of humor. What is funny to you may not be to others.

One of my other articles that were declined by Triond Editors was about Smoking. The reason why Triond editors declined its publication was that they found the images contained therein as offensive. I tend to agree with the editors because I really chose the most offensive images to convey the message that chain smokers will likely suffer the same fate. The reader will think many times over before burning the next stick.

I intend to do some revisions on these articles and resubmit them for reconsideration by the editors.

Hot Content List Front Page

Whenever I find time to browse, I always make it a point to read all ten articles found in the front page of the Hot Content List. I had a pre-conceived idea that these articles are indeed quality articles. I noticed though that there are some articles included in the front page of the Hot Content List that do not deserve to be in the list. First of all, there is not a single comment at the comments section of the article. Secondly there is a very low number of “I Like It” count. Lastly, there are other articles in the succeeding pages of the list that are far better than the one that is positioned in the front page of the Hot Content List. I had one article that recorded almost 30 comments and about the same number of “I Like It” count. But it never landed in the front page while some articles that do not contain any comment at all and with just about two “I Like It” count, landed in the front page.

I understand that “page views” is the measure of the article's popularity. But how can an article be popular when no one commented on it and nobody clicked on the “I Like It” button? Is it because the title of the article is “catchy” that the reader is enticed to click on the title? If this is the yardstick, writers may just as well come up with “catchy” titles to get more page views in order to land in the front page of the Hot Content List. This may not be a good basis for judging a quality article.

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Comments (35)
#1 by Lindalulu, Oct 20, 2008
When I first began submitting articles they also declined a few of mine for all the same reasons you listed in your article above. Do not get discouraged, I think that maybe they are feeling us out as writers in the beginning. I promise it will get better...Promise ! Keep writing and submitting.
#2 by Melissa Joyce, Oct 20, 2008
I hope you keep on submitting articles. I wonder if they run our articles through "content matching" type software. My kids have to do this for any papers that they produce for school. It comes back with a score of X percent like other papers. They are supposed to make sure their work falls within certain percentages before turning in at school. It's possible that Triond uses a similar strategy. I know that my kids also feel frustrated because many times they use quotes or must refer to facts that will definitely match what others have written.
#3 by roberto sardelli, Oct 20, 2008
great article, very interesting. I too had a few that were declined, do not know why. Well done
#4 by Athlyn Green, Oct 20, 2008
Hi Leo,

This was a thought-provoking article and you raised some good points. Writing is often a hit and miss endeavor.

Could I make a suggestion? If an article is declined, simply submit it elsewhere. Sometimes an article is rejected, not because of quality of writing but because of editorial reasons, too numerous to mention here.

When you write for print publications, articles may be turned down, not because the writing isn't up to par but because of space limitations or thematic approach or because a similar article was published in recent months.

Freelance writers should try to rotate articles: submit as many as possible, resulting in a steady income stream coming in.

I wrote and article about Angelina Jolie, which Triond turned down. I immediately published it on Hubpages. See how this works?

If you are looking for other paying writing gigs, please check out my writing blogs:
http://writeandearnaliving@today.com
http://writeandearnaliving.blogspot.com
#5 by Athlyn Green, Oct 20, 2008
Oops! that was http://writeandearnaliving.today.com

And, Leo, thanks so much for the kind mention.
#6 by Allison West, Oct 20, 2008
Hi Leo-thank you so much for mentioning me in your article! I appreciate it so much! Thank you for always being so kind and supportive of me, you are one of the kindest people here in this great community. I also thought this was a very thought provoking piece with lots of good points that you raised. I'm so glad you'll continue to write here. I publish here regularly, on Associated Content and sometimes on Xomba. If somethings declined here, you could always try Associated Content. I have had declines, and sometimes it can be hard to figure out exactly why it was declined. I think you just have to keep going, and try to keep writing. We can't let declines, wherever it happens, get us down. I'm also an actor so it happens in the theatre too, not getting a role, getting turned down for a part! I enjoy your work, keep writing! I look forward to more of your Triond articles! Thanks again, Allison ;)
#7 by Liane Schmidt, Oct 20, 2008
Dear Leo,

I truly appreciate this article and can hear your frustrations. I have had some articles declined myself, however, when I wrote the Triond editors back and assured them that it was indeed my own work, they ended up publishing the article. I believe that the Triond editors are working overtime because they have so many articles they need to edit and publish in such a short period of time.

I believe articles reach the "Hot Content" list for a wide variety of reasons. There is not one particular reason why, but some are the title, the subject matter, the author's popularity, etc.

Stay inspired, I've been writing for Triond for about 2 years and it's only been in the past year that I've had articles hit the hot content list - it took time, learning and patience. You may have results quicker and I hope you do - just hold tight to your dreams - when you have a gift and talent, nothing can hold it down!

Blessings.

Sincerely,

-Liane Schmidt.
#8 by jhenz, Oct 20, 2008
i really appreciate your bravery in writing this topic. and yes, i've been there too. i know how it feels to be declined, especially when you've been making the draft for days. and i also agree with your point of view regarding some articles featured in the Hot List. but know what, so long as you keep on striving and aiming, i believe that nothing can stop you from reaching what you're dreaming for. and i believe you will be more successful because i can see that you're a good writer. i can see, feel and understand your sentiments. for me, reaching your readers through their senses and stirring something in there through your articles makes you a really good one. just keep up the good job and more power to you!
#9 by CHAN LEE PENG, Oct 20, 2008
I'm having the same problem with you, Leo, right now! I just feel that more restrictions are placed on me to write here. I'm disappointing too...Perhaps I'm not the preferable writer at Triond.

#10 by Eunice Tan, Oct 20, 2008
Leo, it's an interesting article. Well done. I especially thank you for including me as your friend and for your comments on my writings. I like Triond, although sometimes Triond declined my writings, I feel Triond always encourages me by including the sentence " you may now resubmit your revised content item", etc.
Triond also send me an email that Triond 'miss' me if I didn't send any post for a long time. Keep writing, Leo. I'm the one who enjoy your article here.
#11 by Andromeda, Oct 20, 2008
Thank you for bringing up these good points, Leo. I, too, have lost interest in Triond due to hours or sometimes days spent researching an article for it to be turned down when others subit 10 line "poetry" and are published every time. I realize these are different genres, but you get what I mean. What you've said needed to be said. I like Hubpages but I don't see the revenue like I see here. It seems you need to sell from through the Amazon and Ebay capsules to get any money. Clicks don't seem to matter there.
Take care and be sure to listen to Athlyn, she knows the ropes.
-Andromeda
#12 by Tel Asiado, Oct 21, 2008
Hi Leo,

Thank you for sharing your honest thoughts openly. You are not alone. Like others, I've had my own rejections too at Triond with the same or similar reasons. In particular, it's indeed a challenge to submit biographical or historical pieces because almost all the time even if we research endlessly, facts are facts. And even if we enhance or modify, the way we structure or restructure may be similar or some chunks alike with others... something to do with influence priori from what we read or people we align too, dead or alive, movers or not. I suppose it's the software Triond uses that picks this up, and I'm sure other dot coms have their own particular softwares too.

My latest rejection was a reflective piece. It was turned down and suggestion was for me to break down my article into chunks of tiny poems. I couldn't do that; it will defeat the sweep of my thoughts in its entirety, ie, what I'm trying to convey. I kindly wrote to the editors for any suggestions or feedback they can offer. I'm still hoping to get a response.

Yes, as a writer, we have to keep going, and submit to other dot coms as much as possible. Better to have more baskets, good baskets though. I also wish that Triond will generate in their homepage the latest articles submitted, perhaps 10 at most, sort of an ongoing thing, rather than only fronting the top 10 hot articles. Perhaps, just an added consolation or encouragement for those accepted articles at least to be "recognized" - a feel good for contributors, and make us feel that we are part of the Triond community and not just the "hot" contributors, whatever these means. ;)

No, I don't belong to the "hot contributors" yet but who knows. I've just recently started submitting a bit more, but already have gotten a handful of Triond-friends.

Otherwise, Triond is really OK, as many of you will agree.

Keep writing, all the best!

Tel

#13 by Rebecca Anne Grant, Oct 21, 2008
This was a very interesting article. I have not been here very long myself and have also been turned down for some of my articles. So, please don't get discouraged. It happens to all of us. Writers have a hard life. We work for hours for very little pay it seems, for all the hard work that we put into our work. But, the main thing is that we enjoy what we do. The key to success as a writer is to write what you know because 9 times out of 10 others don't know what you do and will be very interested to find out what that is. You think that this place upsets you; you should try Constant-Content.com They totally shut me off from my account after a customer who bought an article from them that I published there didn't get it. It was for sale there and had already been approved. Keep in mind that they are very picky and every single thing you submit there is gone over with a fine eye before it is even accepted on their site for sale. Well, I think they lost its file or something because they asked me to resubmit it because the customer didn't get their download after paying for it. I did and even told them that they could offer the unhappy customer 2 free downloads out of my 250 photos for sale there for free. Just to make the customer happy again. Keep in mind that I was their top photographer there for having the most photo submissions. Well, one day I go to log in and it said that my account was suspended. Well, I sent email after email to them to find out why and all they could tell me was my work was not up to their standards. I'm like, I never heard anything bad about any of my work submitted to them before this. It didn't make sense to me. Well, I got to looking around on their website and they still had all 250 of my photos on their site for sale and I couldn't log in to my account to delete them myself. It took countless emails to get them to delete my photos and even more to get them to pay me for my past articles sold. I think that they told the customer that it was my fault that they didn't receive their article download after paying for it and that they would get rid of me. Basically, they covered their butt to keep this customer is what I think happened. So, when you think things are bad here, just read this again to remind yourself that things can always get worse somewhere else. This place is a piece of cake compared to the problems with other sites. I wish you the best of luck and want to encourage you to keep at it and remember, "Write what you know!" You'll go far if you do.
#14 by kathy uykiat, Oct 21, 2008
you are entitled to your own opinion. that is the main principle of triond.
#15 by Leo Reyes, Oct 21, 2008
To Linda, Melisa and Roberto.

Thanks for your inspiring comments. I was ready to stop writng for Triond completely. And with your kind words, I will start writing again.

Many thanks.

Leo
#16 by Leo Reyes, Oct 21, 2008
Hi Athlyn,

Many thanks for your comments and suggestions. I will try to do exactly what you said.

I wish to let you know that you are so special to me because you were one of my first few friends here in Triond. I wanted to send you a personal message to let you know that I decided to stop writing for Triond but I thought it would be better if I just come out with an article about my experiences as a writer here in Triond.

Thanks again my friend.

All the best,

Leo
#17 by Leo Reyes, Oct 21, 2008
Hi Allison,

Thanks for spending some of your time reading my article. I am sorry if I was not able to read some of yours lately. I was just feeling sad about the series of "declines" that I got lately. I lost my concentration and decided to quit temporarily.

Many thanks for your words of encouragement.

I have always considered you as one of my best friends here in Triond.

Thanks again.

Warm regards.

Leo
#18 by Leo Reyes, Oct 21, 2008
Dear Liane,

Thank you so much for your inspiring words. They mean a lot to me. I have always been a great fan of yours. I used to read a lot about your articles and I think I have learned a lot of things from you as they reflect on your articles. I missed some of your articles lately because of my decision to quit writing for Triond. You are right, maybe I am a bit impatient.

Thanks again Liane.

With my best wishes.

Leo
#19 by MJ Taylor, Oct 21, 2008
I've recently noticed one of my content was muddled up with both words and picture and it is frustrating when you've put no much effort in the lay out. I sent it for a 'Fix' and it has now been laid out in the right order. Some times when I have an article published with picture's, the images are not present and you're left thinking, 'Where's my picture's gone!' So I'm always keeping my fingers crossed when I submit. It's good that you shared your thoughts cos so many can relate to it.
#20 by Lindalulu, Oct 21, 2008
Leo..Don't ever stop writing ! It is something you like to do and it is for you and all of us ! This site has helped me through some very hard times in a very short time. I wake in the morning knowing there are people from all over the world who are now my friends, you already have a wonderful following, look at all the comments above. I am so glad to have you as a friend. Keep them coming for all of us to enjoy !!! {{{HUGS}}}
#21 by Verniel Cutar, Oct 21, 2008
Hi. :) Don't get mad at me, but Im going to tell you what I think. It's for your own good and for the people who are currently viewing this post.

Leo, the articles which managed to get on hot content are there for a reason. Triond doesnt just pick them in random order! I understand your concern, and your discouragement for having some of your articles rejected. But criticizing the hot content articles (and consequently their writers and Triond itself), Im afraid, could reflect on your online reputation in the long run. Please don't do that anymore. Im saying this for your sake, and because I want to help you.

If you really want to get maximum viewership, be willing to learn from the people on hot content and hot users, instead of downright saying that SOME of them don't deserve to be there.

About the Chinese inscriptions with funny English terms, I know it has been a very popular blog post all over the web since last year. So from that standpoint, Triond has enough grounds to refrain from publishing it again. I remember that same topic was on top 1 of hot content a few months ago!

My best advice for you is to accept what happened and move on. If you get discouraged and quit now, you just accepted to yourself that you're good for nothing. I believe you can make it if you have the courage to try. Besides, no one guaranteed that it's gonna be easy!

Best wishes and I hope you achieve more success. If you want me to promote some of your articles, just send me the links and I'll do what I can within my abilities.

Sincerely,
Verniel Cutar
#22 by nobert soloria bermosa, Oct 21, 2008
very well presented sentiments,it\'s really hard to be turned down after all those tons of hard works. Leo, you were turned down thrice only, don\'t be discourage,you should be grateful, you know i have been turned down 300 times but still i keep writing,lol...so keep writing bro,have some fun while earning some...
#23 by Leo Reyes, Oct 21, 2008
To Jhenz, Chan and Eunice,

Thank you all for your nice comments. You have all been very supportive. Chan, I always see your articles in the front page of the Hot Content List. It can only mean that you are doing well. Don't despair.
#24 by Leo Reyes, Oct 21, 2008
To Andromeda and Tel,

Thank you for sharing your experiences as Triond Writers and thnaks too for your words of encouragements.
#25 by Leo Reyes, Oct 21, 2008
To Rebecca and Kathy,

Rebecca, thanks for sharing your story. I realized that I am not alone feeling this way.

Kathy, thanks for the info.
#26 by Athlyn Green, Oct 21, 2008
Hi again, Leo,
Thanks for the e-mail this morning and your kind words.

I so hope that you won't give up writing. There's an old saying in the industry. It's called the rule of 10 or 12 (depending on where you hear it). Send something out 12 times and if it is rejected that many times, consider revising it.

What this taught me in the beginning is that rejection is part and parcel of the writing life. That said, however, it can be damned annoying when you\'ve spent hours researching/writing something, as you mentioned.

I hope that you and others will simply send your work out to other places. It's a triumph of sorts when something that's been rejected is accepted in the next go-round.

Here's a funny experience: I sent out a humor piece and received a questionable letter from an editor rejecting it because it was too "somber." Hmmm . . . a funny piece that had everyone chuckling?? I was really puzzled. I sent it right back out and recieved a letter from a different editor praising the piece bacause it was so funny. Ya gotta wonder, eh??
#27 by Lauren Axelrod, Oct 21, 2008
Leo,

I am so glad that you are voicing your concerns out loud. Of all people, I am usually the one to stir the pot and now I am so glad I have company.

The Hot Content List has had a face lift, in case no one noticed. Every article that is submitted is posted on the Hot content list. If you can't maintain the views and market that piece like crazy it drops off the radar.

I have also noticed articles that have 100 "I like it's" and no comments. Hmmm, very interesting to think that 100 writers on Triond would have no opinion.

I'm not really sure what the motives of placement of these articles is at the present time but, I have tried other writing resources since the same things are happening to me.

I had my last 2 articles declined however, I don't back down especially when it's concerning an article based on facts that don't change like history for example. I'll argue my way or reason to the publish list.

Either way Leo, I have really enjoyed being friends with you on Triond and I really respect and love your work. I hope you will keep on plugging away because writing is not about backing down.

Thanks again for the shout and take care!
#28 by Leo Reyes, Oct 22, 2008
To RJ Evans

RJ,

Thank you so much for your comments. It could have landed in the Hot Content List if you submitted it as an article.

After reading your comments, I am beginning to understand the system that Triond is using and the \"algorithm\" thing you mentioned. I guess there is nothing we can do about it. I just realized thet Triond editors are just doing their job, and now I guess I can say that they are doing well.

I am surprised at how my fellow writers reacted to this article. I guess you guys have also experienced the same feelings as I do especially when I get a \"decline\" notice. I did not know that RJ Evans, the no.1 Triond writer, have also experienced rejection in the past coming from Triond editors. Now I know that most of the Triond writers have gone through the same experience.Now I feel better.

Thanks again RJ, I will always be your no.1 fan.
#29 by Leo Reyes, Oct 22, 2008
Hi Lauren,

Thanks for your comments and for sharing your experiences. I feel better now because I found out that most of us have received a "decline" notice from Triond, including RJ Evans who is consistently on the Hot Content List.

Thanks again for your continued support.
#30 by Leo Reyes, Oct 22, 2008
Norbert,

I decided to stay as per your advice. Thanks for your continued support. You were the first guy who pushed me to try my had in writing here at Triond. I will always remeber that. Thanks again.

Leo

#31 by Angrified, Oct 22, 2008
You made some good points. I have not been on here for long. So far I am just getting used to the site. This was a really good article and I hope it makes it far. :)
Diana
#32 by Michal Dorcak, Oct 23, 2008
Nice article. Few of my articles got declined for the same reason - too simillar ...
I can't say anything about hot content list. I read those articles only rarely as I am a student with almost no free time.
#33 by Loreta Dorington, Oct 23, 2008
Leo, thank you for writing a very honest and sincere article that many writers could learn and relate to. I also learned a lot from the comments of others writers here who have shared their own experience and sentiments as I find them quite enlightening.

All I can say is please keep on writing. Remember that you have many supporters and reading audience out there who are always watching out for your articles as they gain inspiration and knowledge from your work.

Welcome back, Leo, and I wish you more success.
#34 by  Karen Gross, Nov 21, 2008
Thank you for sharing your feelings and frustrations - I too have had articles declined. I just write to the editor for a more detailed explanation of why it was declined, and I appreciate getting a personal reply. Some articles I have been able to rewrite and resubmit, and others I sent elsewhere.
I have made some great friends here at Triond, and I am glad that you have come back.
I must admit that I agree with #21 about your negative comments. If I had an article on the hot list, and I read that you think that half the articles on that list don't belong there, I might take it personally and think you meant mine.
#35 by swapna , Dec 13, 2008
very inspiring article..thanks for sharing..
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